LUHE, yep I think, I'm much more ready and willing to do the revision required... and as opposed to way back when, I now actually 'want' to study the subject...! all so-called worldly people, have been nothing but encouraging, as everybody is here too.... what a difference...
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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cantleave... I hear you!..
we were the 'first' year (1988) to do GCSE's after the termination of O' Level exams, and it was a total mess.. My older brother and sisters did O' Levels.. and two of them are in a different stratosphere intellectually... I've heard about how difficult the O' Levels really were, from them and others older than I..
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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John Aquila,
I'm very encouraged by you example.. I honestly thought it was too late.. but that's just the JW part of my indoctrination still deep rooted so I'm going for the plunge.... calculus, I can just about spell that, that one would have killed me... yes, I went basic, had to revise my fractions, percentages, long division etc etc.. I'll just have to face the music with having to study with kids in their late teen, don't care anymore, this is what I want to do, so if need be, I will suffer a bit of awkwardness...
Stan Livedeath, thanks for the link, will PM you..
Peony thank you, I'm a Londoner, well just on the edge of London, It's taken 3 years for me to realise the 'watchtower' damage, so only now am I starting out... like yourself, my attitude has totally changed and I'm really looking forward to studying..
Slidin fast, yeah, I guess it will be a learning curve and growing pains, like re starting at the gym after years... but I trust things will get easier as the grey matter acclimatises itself...
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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Well, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', I decided that since I gave all my years since leaving school to the Borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' I have just started... right from bottom...
Today I took a 2 hour maths test to see if I would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my GCSE maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in England in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16). Back in May 1988 I did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of ALL exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a JW mind-wipe occurred here, I've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, F**k the ORG, I might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but I don't have to let that past control me now..
the test was 'really' hard going... and I don't think I passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if I don't get on the main course.... The tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that I'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg)
I've also learned something else; JW's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... BULLSHIT, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph. So having revised this week, today I was required to use the underlying principles I re-learned, in application to the difficult math questions. I had to use my 'noggin', my head, in an analytical way, and it was bloody hard.... Watchtower has the highest form of education? my ass it's the highest..... I used to look down on people who spent years getting a higher education, after one small test, THEY HAVE MY UTMOST RESPECT...
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August Study WT "Prepare Now to be a Good Little Drone in the New Order"
by JW_Rogue ini thought paradise was supposed to be a delight?
not according to the august study wt, on page 20 paragraphs 4-12 it outlines how much paradise will be exactly like being in the org today.
still following rules, waiting on jehovah and obeying those taking the lead.
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Well this is NEW LIGHT for me..
I've recently found myself having 'imaginary arguments' in my head, with witnesses, telling them, even if there will be a new system, I wouldn't want to live in it with JW's... and then imagining a rebuttal such as, well it will be 'different' in the new system, the organisation will not be like it is now....
JW_Rogue; you've just hammered the last nail in that coffin, 'thank you'..
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Hello world !
by Mrs. Eden inwell, here i am.. hello world, mrs. eden sending regards to everyone.
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my english is limited, so please go easy on me.. mrs. eden.
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Welcom Mrs Eden, you will love it here....
Everything you every wanted to say but had to hold back can be said here and sympathised with..
The Marvster
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need input: My wife is at it again...this time about the faithful and discreet slave
by goingthruthemotions inso you all know that i go with my wife to the meeting to protect the kids from the drival and pacify her.
tonight we are sitting there and she points to mathew and says something about the faithful and discreet slave and she said eplain this.
so breaking away from what i was reading in the meeting..." in search of christian freedom by franz"...i said.
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Heaven, Re: swerving off the course of the discussion; absolutely right and it's infuriating when they do this, as can be seen by the frustration of GTTM's post... we shouldn't be surprised by this because when you look at the behaviour of the elders on the Australian RC and Mr Jackson himself, it's clear this is their tactic for 'evading' truth. The big boys are doing this, no wonder the rank and file follow their lead... -
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need input: My wife is at it again...this time about the faithful and discreet slave
by goingthruthemotions inso you all know that i go with my wife to the meeting to protect the kids from the drival and pacify her.
tonight we are sitting there and she points to mathew and says something about the faithful and discreet slave and she said eplain this.
so breaking away from what i was reading in the meeting..." in search of christian freedom by franz"...i said.
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is it just my imagination that often when glaring inconsistencies and irrefutable contradictions between what the GB teaches and what the bible indicates, is shown to a JW, and an argument flares up, the argument never seems to be over the 'subject at hand'?
But people either walk away, go tell the elders, start telling the one pointing out the inconsistency to shut up, or saying it doesn't matter, or wait on Jehovah to explain... everything but examine the argument at hand....
as far as i have seen through this forum and experienced myself with JW's commenting on my Youtube comments, the argument is never dealt with, there are just threats and insults...
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What does your baptism mean to you now?
by GiftsinMen ini was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.
it is still a date with deep meaning for me.
i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.
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oops didn't answer the question...
to me my baptism was a lie, my own lie to myself, and to the congregation.... but also belief in a lie by the WBTS which I happened to belief... it means nothing to me now...
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What does your baptism mean to you now?
by GiftsinMen ini was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.
it is still a date with deep meaning for me.
i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.
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When I was 14, I wanted to get baptised as my best friend was getting dunked, but I got told, 'not enough return visits'.... so it got dropped, then eventually at 21 years old and 'under pressure' from an elder I got baptised.. I was reluctant because of that age old reason, I thought I would 'sin' after dedicating my life and not be able to live the 'strict' lifestyle, I never even made a proper dedication, that's how doubtful I was.
Just 1 month after baptism, the secret sin restarted.... and I fought with it for 20 years and never won the battle.... so here I am 22 years after getting baptised and after a very long losing battle I'm out of the congregation... why didn't I listen to the gut feelings of that 21 year old?